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interview
"While it looked very glamorous as
a child, I think the Oscars have become commercialized. I'm more
focused on getting Ramchand Pakistani into film festivals, because
people come to see it, it gets distribution... for me that's more
important than the Oscars now."
– Mehreen Jabbar on her hopes and plans for Ramchand
Pakistani
By Saba
Imtiaz
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Ramchand Pakistani
has premiered in Karachi and Islamabad. How's the feedback been?
MJ: The feedback has been overall very encouraging and positive.
People have shown very good feelings and warmth towards it. The
real test remains to be seen when it's in the cinema - I can't really
predict how it's going to do. I hope it does well.
What was the thing that struck you most when you saw the story for
Ramchand Pakistani - that made you think: this can be shown in a
Pakistani cinema?
MJ: I think sometimes the story just calls out to you. I knew this
was not going to be a song-and-dance film, it's not going to be
mirch masala, but it's going to be very accessible. There's a story
of a family, and a family is a very universal concept. Anyone from
any background can relate to that. That's what my thinking was.
And because of the India-Pakistan angle and all that - in the film
also it's in the background. The real story is about the relationships
that these people form in their lives and they wait and they're
separated.
How was your
experience showing Ramchand Pakistani at the Tribeca Film Festival?
MJ: It's very interesting. It had its first showing at Tribeca,
and a different bunch of people were there - a mix of South Asians
and Americans. I should be sick of the film by now because I edited
it, so I've seen it countless times - but I do make it a point to
sit through screenings because every audience is so different. For
example, some jokes people were laughing at in Tribeca, didn't get
the same response in India or Pakistan. Every showing, every bunch
of 200 people has a different energy to it - so you learn from that
as well.
You've said earlier that you chose Nandita Das because she
fit the character. Was it more that you wanted to have Indo-Pak
collaboration or that she fit the bill?
MJ: Very simply, both reasons. I felt Nandita would bring the Indo-Pak
collaboration. The music part of the collaboration happened after
the film. The music was conceived afterwards and the songs were
sung after the film had been shot. I wanted Nandita to be part of
the team, especially in a team where 99 per cent of the other actors
were Pakistani. I felt it would be a nice collaboration from the
Indian side - she's respected and she's well known for what she
does...
When Ramchand Pakistani is released, films like Love Story
2050 and Kismat Konnection will be screening alongside. What kind
of people do you think will come to see the film; do you think they'll
be pulled away to see Ramchand Pakistani?
MK: I think it's very good that Indian films are being shown - I
don't have a problem with that at all. I don't see why people should
see Kismat Konnection and not Ramchand Pakistani; it's not one or
the other. I would hope people who saw Khuda Kay Liye should go
out and see this, and even people who didn't see it. I don't know
if the message is coming across - you can never judge, it's a large
country, you don't know what level it has reached. All of us in
the media know about it, but does the common man know about it?
I think that's important. I hope that people who are aware of it
give it a chance and see it once. I hope that people who are of
all social backgrounds, every kind of person goes and see it. It's
not a typical story. It doesn't have masala but maybe people don't
want masala all the time. They can go see that (an Indian film)
and then see Ramchand Pakistani. The problem is that even going
to see films has become expensive.
The government is always blamed for the lack of support
to the film industry, but can it also be blamed for the lack of
good content? What can they do to support that aspect?
MJ: There are a lot of things - no government support, no institutions
that people who want to study filmmaking can go to - there are only
a few classes at KU, IVSAA and BNU. There's no place where people
of all backgrounds who want to study filmmaking, not just the rich
or the upper middle class, can go. People who actually want to do
stuff are mostly learning on the job, in TV and film. While that's
excellent, you need to have some grounding of literature and the
technical aspects to provide good content. The Government needs
to support; they need to provide tax breaks, to treat film like
an industry and not just as a hobby, sport or part time entertainment.
They need to take it very seriously - the studios, cinemas, facilities
- they need to help us. The private sector will develop cinemas
but I think the government can really help us.
The Prime Minister and Minister of Information attended
Ramchand's premiere. Do you think it's a good sign that government
representatives are coming to screenings?
MJ: I think it's a good sign if the arts are appreciated in any
form and if the Government takes an active role just by attending
film screenings - then they think maybe stuff like this can happen.
If they realize that people are struggling in this fledgling film
industry, there's more of a chance that they will actually do something
about it. Its one thing to come to a screening, it's another thing
to follow up on policy. I hope this Government will do something,
it is a progressive government.
Has the family (who Ramchand Pakistani has been based on) seen the
film?
MJ: The family hasn't yet. They couldn't make it to the Karachi
premiere so they'll see it at the Lahore one. The child was with
us throughout the shooting - it's been shot in their village, and
the scene where Ramchand crosses the border is actually the same
path the child took. The mother is a very simple woman, and this
will probably be the first film she'll see. The child has, because
he grew up watching films in jail.
Have you thought about screening this film in Tharparkar?
MJ: We haven't done it yet, but we definitely plan to: they of all
people would be very interested to see the film. There are no cinemas
there. The film is playing in Hyderabad and Mirpurkhas which are
the closest, but cinemas in Sindh are pretty bad.
Ramchand Pakistani has a lot of firsts associated with it
- the first Pakistani film to screen at Tribeca, success at Osian,
the first time a crew was allowed into an Indian jail - how does
it feel to be in that position?
MJ: The first is always a good feeling, but it's the culmination
of a lot of people's dreams - my mother's, my father's, mine - to
make that kind of film and actually see it happen. The struggles
that have happened through the process; its not easy making a film.
My parents have really helped me, if it hadn't been for them; I
would have got a chance much later in life - because I've wanted
to make a film forever. It's their backing, and the backing of all
those people who contributed, not just in terms of talent, but money
- people who'd never invested in films.
Your parents invested in the film so obviously that was a source
of support - but a lot of filmmakers complain about not having producers
- people don't want to invest money.
MJ: Actually it's not just my parents but 19 other people who invested.
So it's financed by 19 individuals - from businessmen to colleagues
to friends, of both my father and mother. My mother contributed
the first amount and then we have two sponsors as well. So it's
actually a collective of 21 people - and that's actually the best
way to make a film, probably.
So is that what you'd advocate to young filmmakers?
MJ: I would suggest firstly having a really good story and just
sticking to it. It's not easy. I would hope that Ramchand Pakistani
does well not just so that our investors can get their money back,
because if they do, if people actually make the effort to go out
to see the film, then these investors will invest in the second
or third film. If you don't support your own cinema, then no one
is going to support upcoming young directors.
People in Pakistani have a lot of money - but no one wants
to invest in films. In India we see everyone from politicians to
businessmen investing in films. Do you think there needs to a system
of educating people about examples like yours?
MJ: For good cinema to come out, the Pakistani audience should not
underestimate the role they also have to play in the decline and
rise of Pakistani cinema. Only filmmakers and producers should not
be blamed. As I said, if you go and watch Khuda Kay Liye, it becomes
a success and Shoaib Mansoor can do another film. If it fails, he
still has to go around looking for a producer. It's tough. Same
for me, same for the third director. We're a poor and developing
country, but there are still grants and other things that can be
done. But you're right, there are so many corporations who spend
crores of money on ice-cream and phones and they commercialize everything.
I think if they spent even a fraction of that on grants, singling
out filmmakers and supporting them...
You've always had very strong female characters in your plays -
and Kamla and Champa (characters from the film) are in the same
vein. Is this a conscious effort on your part as a Pakistani woman
filmmaker?
MJ: I think it's a subconscious conscious decision. I've had both
male and female screenwriters, and I've done plays with strong male
characters as well. But I think it's interesting in terms of the
kinds of stories you can tell about women…
Did you think about taking the film to the Oscars?
MJ: There's a committee that needs to be formed in Pakistan that
sends in a nomination…that's what I know. I hope someone does
it. I would love to be at the Oscars if it was nominated. But while
it looked very glamorous as a child, I think the Oscars have become
commercialized. I'm more focused on getting it into film festivals,
because people from different countries come to see it, it gets
distribution...for me that's more important than the Oscars now.
What do you see as the future for Pakistani films?
MJ: Unknown but hopeful. I have my fingers crossed. Hopefully there
will be more films made after Ramchand Pakistani. In the past year
and a half we've had Shoaib sahab release a film, Javed Sheikh and
now me...so 3 films in that period is good, we need to sustain that
growth.
What kind of challenges did you have while making this film?
MJ: There's another article on that! From finding financing and
a team which had done a feature film, I think 95% had never done
a feature film before... to accommodating and putting up 75 to 80
people in the back of beyond in the Thar desert, to coordinating
a 45 day shoot, so we were on the go all the time. From taking care
of four Americans and an Indian in the crew, having adequate bathroom
facilities in the desert, dealing with an ensemble cast in the jail,
the Thar conditions - everything. With all these challenges, I think
everything - thankfully - turned out well. We had no major hiccups.
The team was amazing, and everyone was learning on the job, we were
fighting sometimes, but we didn't go one day over the schedule of
shooting.
What advice would you give to young filmmakers who've seen
films like Ramchand and Khuda Kay Liye, but don't know where to
start from?
MJ: Keep your dreams there of making a film; but don't shy away
from making short films or 40 minute TV dramas because its just
about honing your skills, improving and making the mistakes that
you can learn from when making a film. There are no shortcuts. That's
very important - nowadays we just want to get out of bed and become
a director. So learn, read a lot. Read, read, read, read. Because
if you don't read, your stories are not going to have depth, and
there's a limit to which you can tell stories out of experience.
You either tell stories out of experience or instinct, but you need
to have some kind of background.
Whats next for you?
MJ: I'm going to go back to New York, pay my rent for 6 months,
hope our investors get their money back, work on a TV serial, and
start thinking about the story for my next film...
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