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Interpreter of our maladies

Dr Saadat Saeed talks about the relationship between a
poet and critic, the death of writers’ conscience,
and other things
By Sehyr Mirza
Off Lahore’s famed Mall Road stands one of the most well known buildings of the city — Government College, with the suffix ‘University’ attached to it of late. As I enter the college, I am captured by the Gothic charm of the campus. A strange sense of nostalgia engulfs me, even if I had not been here before.
Making my way towards the Urdu Department of the college, I pass through thick foliage of trees and lush green flowering shrubs alongside the paved road that leads to the main building. I chance upon students sitting in sprawling lawns, gossiping eagerly, undisturbed by the scorching sun. 

Ideological universe
Far from being the historical carrier of the voice of reason and modernity, the consumer middle class could well turn out as the destroyer of the world that gave birth to it
By Sarwat Ali
The peculiar circumstances of the birth of Pakistan, in the sense that it defied the laid-down models of political science in the middle of the twentieth century, have puzzled many an analyst. The course of its existence, in the first twenty five years as a united Pakistan and then the next forty two years of West Pakistan designated comfortably as the whole of Pakistan, has made political pundits reassert the manufacturing peculiarities of this country. Some have gone into the colonial era politics for the peculiar dispensation of people like Markus Daechseal. 

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

profile
Interpreter of our maladies
Dr Saadat Saeed talks about the relationship between a
poet and critic, the death of writers’ conscience,
and other things
By Sehyr Mirza

Off Lahore’s famed Mall Road stands one of the most well known buildings of the city — Government College, with the suffix ‘University’ attached to it of late. As I enter the college, I am captured by the Gothic charm of the campus. A strange sense of nostalgia engulfs me, even if I had not been here before.

Making my way towards the Urdu Department of the college, I pass through thick foliage of trees and lush green flowering shrubs alongside the paved road that leads to the main building. I chance upon students sitting in sprawling lawns, gossiping eagerly, undisturbed by the scorching sun.

The department building itself looks neglected and time-worn. The paint is coming off and a host of spider webs flap in the corners of rotting walls.

The condition of the Urdu Department is not much different from the current status of Urdu language in Pakistan. At a time when Urdu is fighting to save itself from extinction, Dr Saadat Saeed is one of the few scholars who have been vigorously struggling to promote and sustain the language and the literature written in the language. His outstanding contribution in the fields of literary criticism, linguistics and modern Urdu literature are well-recognised.

And, this is what brings me to this place — to meet a man of his stature and to introduce him to a generation that is estranged from its own language and literature.

Widely known as a poet, critic and academic, Dr Saeed is an author of 28 books. His poetic collection ‘Kajli Bun’ is an important book of modern Urdu poetry. His books of criticism — ‘Jayhat Numayee,’ ‘Fun Aur Khaliq,’ ‘Adab Aur Nafi-e-Adab’ — encompass the contemporary trends of Urdu fiction, poetry and literary theories. He has more than 250 national and international research publications to his credit. Besides, he has translated important works of writers and poets from Iran, Turkey, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Denmark and Latin America.

Following a distinguished academic career, Dr Saeed became a teacher and has stayed one for the last 43 years. He began teaching at Government College, as it was then called, in 1986. He was posted on the Pakistan Chair for Urdu and Pakistan Studies at Ankara University, Turkey, for a period of five years in 1999, and he re-joined GCU     on his return. Though he has taught both classical and modern literature, his areas of academic interest are linguistics, modern literature and literary theory.

He retired from GCU in 2009 as the Head of Department but did not stop teaching. Now, he is part of the visiting faculty, teaching linguistics and criticism to students of BA Honours and Persian language to Phd students.

These look like enough engagements in one lifetime. What does he want to be recognised as — a poet, critic or academic? “I am basically a poet, with a keen interest in poetry. In order to understand poetry, I stepped into criticism. The critic’s specific purpose is to interpret literary works, to enrich the readers’ understanding of the writer’s perspective. Literary criticism, thus, bridges the gap between the readers and the writer. T.S. Eliot and Ezra Pound were poets and at the same time were extraordinary critics,” he explains.

Prevalence of pre-existing beliefs and views negatively impacts the society, he thinks. “Therefore, it is important to examine, analyse and interpret information based on logic and rationale. This is exactly where criticism helps.”

So what does a poet have to do with criticism, I am still not convinced. “When a poet turns to criticism, he tries to nourish people with some sense of understanding about the deepest mysteries of life and conflicts between individuals and the society. Poet is a critic unto himself. Poets criticise the woes and injustices of our so-called civilised society. They desire to make the society a better place.”

He sees it as a dialectical process. “The society has its impact on the poet and the poets’ works and experiences, in turn, have their influence on society. This is the basis of all improvement, development and evolution. It is through this process that the society gradually moves towards change.”

Does he think art and literature play a role in changing the society? “Literature and poetry rather have a subliminal impact on the society. The change comes very slowly. It is not like a revolutionary change. The writers and poets have no financial incentives; yet their passion and intense desire to bring change serves as motivation.”

In a    sort of dialectical way, we move on to discuss Sartre, Camus, Kafka and Heidegger. Our discussion, expectedly, takes a turn to existentialism. Existentialism is one of the most important philosophical views of the twentieth century. For Heidegger, existence was everything. Nothing lied outside, before or beyond being. Sartre, however, gave his ideas a new direction by pointing that reality is inherently absurd.

“Sartre’s combination of existentialism and Marxism was based on the theory of individual agency and moral responsibility. His Existentialist-Marxism yielded some exemplary works in the field of literature. Most of the important examples of existentialist writing are rather thought-provoking plays and novels than purely philosophical treatises. I believe that Existentialist-Marxism is the only correct approach,” says Saeed.

About other theories like structuralism, post-modernism, deconstruction, historicism, Dr Saeed is of the view that they all promote banal and sophomoric ideas. Feminist theory, according to him, is quite an unrealistic approach. “Feminism is not producing very good results for our society. I believe that men and women are equal but if feminists start anti-men propaganda, it will help neither men nor women.”

Being a self-proclaimed “radical feminist,” I am rather provoked to ask him if he thinks the same about “The Second Sex” by Simone de Beauvoir. “That is undoubtedly a great book and why should it not be? It was written by an existentialist writer. However, if we talk about other feminist writers like Virgina Woolf, their stance on feminism was rather chauvinistic.”

The discussion shifts to Nobel Prize winners like Gabriel Garcia Marquez, Hermann Hesse, Knut Hamsun and Tagore. I was eager to know if Dr Saeed thinks Urdu writers are capable enough to bag a Nobel Prize. “Yes they are. The problem is that Urdu is not internationally recognised. We can’t compete with the western writers but, recently, Turkish writer Orhan Pamuk won it. When the literary world realises that Urdu writers are doing something extraordinary, they will get it.”

As we move to the distinction between Urdu novel and short stories, the issue of translation springs up. This, I thought, was linked to our earlier discussion about Urdu writers getting the Nobel Prize, because Pamuk certainly has the advantage of a brilliant translator. “We have some distinguished novelists like Aziz Ahmed, Abdullah Hussain and Quratulain Hyder. Many critics have introduced Urdu short stories in the West. Not many Urdu novels have been translated yet. Once they are translated and introduced, they will definitely receive acknowledgement,” he says.

Of Manto, Krishan and Bedi, Dr Saeed would choose Manto any day. “Manto was a short story writer par-excellence. Krishan and Bedi have written on similar subjects but have never been as impactful as Manto. There are two schools of thought here: One believes Bedi is better when it comes to style; the other thinks Krishan takes a lead in ideology.”

Dr Saadat Saeed does not agree with either of these views. “Manto has written stories like ‘Phundney’ (Tassles) and a collection of sketches ‘Ganjay Farishtey’ which was written in an entirely different style. He was a versatile writer. The other two, however, were superficial writers.”

Why can’t we see great writers of the likes of Manto, Faraz, Jalib and Faiz these days? Dr Saeed thinks this is because we are currently living in a state of confusion. Nobody knows where he is heading to or why. “There is no sense of direction. At the time of Faraz, Faiz, Jalib and Manto, all writers and poets were actively struggling for the cause of revolution. Gradually, though, our society became consumerist. Bringing a positive change in society, I believe, is a spiritual practice. People busy in feeding their materialistic thirst can only welcome negativism.”

“Commercialism is a menace that we need to shun completely” looks like an impossible suggestion at the moment. But Saadat Saeed thinks “Hum sochne wale log nahi, consume hone wale log hain (People don’t appreciate thinking, they would rather be consumed).”

He is of the view that there will come a time, soon, when writers and poets will realise what is happening to them. “Currently, art and literature are nobody’s priority. Television, newspapers or magazines hardly promote literature. They only look for advertisements to sell their papers. Ideological literature is fading away.”

Dr Saeed has managed to keep his ideology alive in all his poetic masterpieces. In one of his most noteworthy poems titled ‘Phoenix’, he sums up the state of disillusionment, in these verses:

“O Phoenix

Rise on the hill of fear

For a moment

Coming out of your web

and restoring the chords

of throat

Tell us — who brought to us

The chill of tyranny

From door to door

The ash of the hill of agony

The death of writers’

conscience

And the way leading to

nothingness”

 

 

 

 

Ideological universe
Far from being the historical carrier of the voice of reason and modernity, the consumer middle class could well turn out as the destroyer of the world that gave birth to it
By Sarwat Ali

The peculiar circumstances of the birth of Pakistan, in the sense that it defied the laid-down models of political science in the middle of the twentieth century, have puzzled many an analyst. The course of its existence, in the first twenty five years as a united Pakistan and then the next forty two years of West Pakistan designated comfortably as the whole of Pakistan, has made political pundits reassert the manufacturing peculiarities of this country. Some have gone into the colonial era politics for the peculiar dispensation of people like Markus Daechseal.

For him, the British never recognised class as a key political identity, only a politics of interest based on intermediate and patronage networks. The beneficiaries, whom he calls members of the Urdu middle class milieu, were simultaneously bound by such structures and developed a desire to overcome them. As the contradiction could not be directly resolved, they developed a new form of politics — the politics of self-expression in which troublesome questions about the nature of social and economic relationship were no longer visible or permissible.

From this baseline, Daechsel develops the argument within the global framework of explanations. The search for the socio-cultural foundations of self-expressionist politics led the people of Pakistan into the realm of middle class material culture and into the problematics of a consumer society.

The Urdu middle class’s two sets of cultural phenomena had little or nothing to do with the specific context of late colonial India, like the widespread appropriation of political ideas from European fascism and emergence of a global language of advertising. The politics of self-expression was the result of the logic of consumption taking over the realm of politics.

Collective identities were invoked and given some form of meta historical grounding. By assuming a direct correspondence between a collective soul and the soul of individual activists, the latter translated their inner struggle into something that was recognisably political by the standards of newspaper-reading middle class culture. The importance of the public sphere as the cultivation of an open debating culture that demonstrated an international standard of political maturity was similarly rejected with no place at all for concepts such as democracy and citizenship.

The ultimate aim of the politics of self-expression was never a return to societal politics but a flight into an alternative ideological universe with all societal constraints that plagued the middle classes. The activist could achieve the state of ecstasy and intoxication that marked the end of his or her as a socially networked person. In Pakistan, the post-colonial state was almost intermediately after its creation redefined by the self-expression activists and he shifted the goalpost of what true liberation meant. A constituency that could not otherwise exist as a class due to the constraints imposed by political economy of favour, found in consumption a space where it could establish some form of undefined cultural consciousness.

The problem with consumer identities is that they suggest great identity depth — goods are believed to reflect a person’s innermost being but at the same time they rely on garish and the mundane to produce identities. Consumption is not about great deeds in world history but about the choice of consumption items. Political action revolves round to a remarkable degree on the appropriation of sign objects — expressed through right consumerist choice. The language of politics becomes a caricature of advertising language. It retains all the hyperbole-talk of total liberation, total extermination of providence and the stern law of history, while replacing the advertisings playfulness and self irony with the certainty of assumed prophetic airs.

The ideological content has been sifted from figures like S. Chander Bose, V.D Sarkar and Allama Mashriqi and explains the self-expressionists’ mode of action, its characteristic stylistic vocabulary and its distinctive register of political experience. As a survey of pamphlets, reformist tracts and journalistic writings demonstrate it was person’s relationship with the body above everything else that made them middle class, and this included diet, hygiene and sexual self control by both men and women.

The first phase of self-expression in politics was to a large extent suppressed by the emerging martial state in the early 1950s. The second wave was the aftermath of the Afghan War, neo-fundamentalism or jihadism. The new Islamist activist has lost interest in the societal; they are no longer interested in the project of creating an Islamic society based on the Sharia but concentrate on matters of self-fulfillment and meta-historical statement of identity.

The methodology is a direct reflection of the logic of consumer society. Activists seek to create spectacles, beamed round the world through the media universe in which they turn themselves into political brands which are immediately and often quite literally consumed. The suicide mission is the ultimate extension of the old self-expressionist longing for self-annihilation and intoxication, a self-indulgent form of political activity that is ostensibly based on supreme sacrifice but in reality gives the person involved a taste of the ultimate power trip.

And, there is a warning at the end for all to heed. Persistent contradiction between a consumerist society and other forms of societal organisations stimulates forms of self-expressionist radicalism that may be very hard to control. Far from being the historical carrier of the voice of reason and modernity, the consumer middle class could well turn out as the destroyer of the world that gave birth to it.

One shortcoming of the book is that though the middle class cuts across the communal divide, the focus has been more on how it has cast its long shadows in Pakistan. Some of the analysis may appear to be far-fetched but it adds to the body of works that try to understand this peculiar phenomenon. If the phenomenon is peculiar then the analysis can be entertained as well, even if it tends to be a little far-fetched.

The Politics of

Self Expression

Marcus Daechsel

Oxford University Pakistan

Year of Publication 2013.

Price Rs 895

Pages 295

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